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when we first moved in together at the

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1995 Toronto Film Festival there was a

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big party at the bestir 990 upstairs and

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in walks Tarantino Quentin Tarantino and

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it was like Johnny I always call him

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Johnny and I was blocking him so we had

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prior talked about that like the day

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before like how he's resurrected career

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is everything Pulp Fiction was out yeah

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John Travolta's career had been

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resurrected all of that so but he was

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too shy to go up to him I said we can't

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he's probably gonna leave in a few

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minutes regarding you got to do

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something I said well if you don't I

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will

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so I walked up to him and I asked him on

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the shoulder was like Brown through the

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shoulder and I said um excuse me Quentin

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but he was my boy from the time I said

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um my boyfriend would really love to

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meet you and I pointed crossed the room

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and usable who's that you kind of look

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at me if until David Carradine anyway

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and he looks at he spots de because oh

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my god I was too intimidated to go up to

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him he's a fast talker isn't it yeah

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yeah yeah and I took him by the hand and

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I introduced them and it was like a love

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fest for 20 minutes it was non-stop so

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turns out that Quentin had americanah

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David's movie that he made with Barbara

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Hershey and he was a major major Hebrew

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sight dialogue off the film and how

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crazy is that that both of them each of

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them was too shy to go up to the right

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right catalyst so what happened at the

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end of the conversation he had to leave

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for another other schmooze and I said

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today that I said you know you can't

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just drop it here we could get phone

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number or something so I said Quentin

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what are you doing for lunch tomorrow

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and he goes why I'm I'm having lunch

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with Atom Egoyan I said would you like

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to join us and I looked at David it's

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like yeah and he's yeah I would love to

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I said okay great because in the

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conversation it was yes they would love

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to work with David but his reputation

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was so bad because of the alcohol and

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things about and him not being

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dependable and and I said we can fix

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this

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so at lunch the next day it was two

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hours was David drinking the night that

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he met Quentin yes

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was he drunk he was buzzed uh-huh was it

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kind of obvious to Quentin do you think

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I don't think so David was pretty cool

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that evening okay he indulged but not as

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much he held back so he could be like he

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was he performed a concert for both of

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them literally was on the piano said a

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piano and Alexander's bar and he just

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serenaded them and schmooze and talk

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business and Quentin was just totally

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enamored and so by the end of that he

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goes I'll be honest with you behind I

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want to work with you I want to find

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something but there's the problem and so

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we tried to convince him no he's never

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this dialogue again hit his marks and he

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was he was a functioning alcoholic and

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but that wasn't good enough obviously so

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fast forward for the six years

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schmoozing Quentin phone calls emails

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calling us office he's done this he's

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done that as things progressed for David

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and his reputation improved and so

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fast-forward to Kill Bill so I'm really

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curious having been a victim yourself

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correct my firm on you actually walked

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in on David Carradine abusing correct

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well visually abusing yeah not you mean

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not touching not touching but was

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written all over his face and I was I go

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okay and that's you know PTSD goes so I

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turned and walked into the kitchen I

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felt like throwing up it's like how do I

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deal with this yeah you can't help but

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go into these you know shade stage of

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shock basically mm-hmm so yeah and then

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then him denying that's what I saw and

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that's what it was and mm yeah and this

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was with an underaged relative I didn't

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say that you never shared before now who

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was and I don't blame you for sure and

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for their own privacy right but

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does did you tell anyone I guess let me

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just as that I think I pretty much told

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a very close friend of mine who knew the

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whole history yeah so you were pretty

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sure that he was not just in that

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occasion but on other occasions uh I

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think after we got married he was a

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totally monogamous to me prior to that

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mmm not so sure because things that

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happen I was like in denial I've I've

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realized later they were hickeys it was

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like man you know hickeys on on David

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like on his legs and torso so um but

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what about with this particular

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individual that we're talking about you

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believe that there was abuse of that

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person on an ongoing basis I suspected

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but wasn't I was never sure I was still

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in that state of no he's not no

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everything is fine he's assured me I'm

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going to believe him because I can't

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deal with it otherwise at this moment

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and is that the only person you

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suspected him of doing that with no so

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you believe it could have been serial on

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his part I wouldn't say serial I mean

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say serial but I also believed he was

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kind of you know messing around with

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other people too so right as I wrote

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about in my book so but if we're talking

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minors that's a big issue and if we're

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talking family relationship that's a big

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issue

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yeah I can't say any more about it

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because that would give more clues than

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I didn't do that in the book and I'm not

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I can't do it now and what about the the

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parents of this person does do the to

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this day you know if they're that person

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parents know well in in the book it was

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a family member I didn't talk about any

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other okay I guess I'm making an

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assumption and again I I'm with you I

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don't think that the person's identity

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should be revealed

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anyway I guess I was just assuming that

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if it was a minor that you would want

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the person's parents to be aware of it I

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don't believe it was other people in

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that sense mm-hmm and that says so but

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coming to grips with it must have been a

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struggle considering you had been

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through this you're using somebody else

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possibly going through this mm-hmm and

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what do I do about this yeah I sought

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help for me and if he was killed do you

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have any thoughts as to who or the

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all sorts of motives I may have

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different theories in the book but it

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Sam it was amazing to both of us that

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there are still people that held a

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grudge against him for stealing the role

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of kung-fu Kwai Chang Caine away from

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Bruce Lee maybe it was some weirdo that

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you know had a grudge and and was had a

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lady boy in the room or something who

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knows or it was for theft it could be a

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number of reasons I just found it kind

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of odd that you know a couple of months

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prior to him going to Thailand there was

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a a young young man that I ran into and

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he said a friend he and his friend

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worked at a restaurant in Chatsworth and

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David came in with like six very young

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Asian women girls and I thought just

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David and the girls and yeah that's kind

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of where any said he was not in a good

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frame of mind he was kind of like and

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and he didn't tip and I went that's

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really not day because David was a very

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generous tipper and as so that was kind

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of wonky then okay fast forward he goes

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to Thailand and so it just things just

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don't connect right and then plus I know

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what I read in the autopsy report I just

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I definitely believe somebody had intent

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to do away with him

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so Mark Geragos represented the family

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after his death I believe incorrect

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names any of this is wrongly that and he

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made some assertion that he thought

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there was some type of Thai mafia

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was involved aware of that assertion not

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specifically of those words but

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everybody pretty much said no this is

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definitely not suicide something else is

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is wrong here

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so I mean who knows the person who came

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to me via another connection said that

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one of the people in the room was

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supposed to be related to a government

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official and that they covered up and

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that's why they positioned him the way

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they did in the closet to make it look

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like it was something else and it

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disappeared in the press but it was in

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the press at one point like there was a

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footprint on the bed and then that

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disappeared from the press and so when I

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consulted with Michael and Sloane and

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others it it was like okay well that

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would make sense if somebody was on the

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bed choking him and then that would make

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sense

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mm-hmm so why was Geragos brought on

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board you know I

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we don't had a wrongful death lawsuit so

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that was a whole different thing right

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and they were suing the producers of the

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film saying that they failed yeah they

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failed to properly care for him protect

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him give him security in Bangkok things

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I believe yeah yeah so I guess there

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would have been some back-and-forth if

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he essentially killed himself

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accidentally or intentionally legal

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involvement I mean they had they had a

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wad - I guess my points the producers

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probably would have been off the hook

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and the insurance companies for we

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always know suicide exactly so they had

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an incentive for this to be that Geragos

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on the other hand is pointing out that

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no we think that he was killed you guys

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were supposed to have security to

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protect him in this dangerous foreign

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city and they had that surveillance well

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they meaning the type police had that

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sort of surveillance tape and I talked

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to the coroner over there and I

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to various people at the police

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department and kind of kept tabs every

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once in a while it was just really too

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emotional for me to to do but I found

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out I was a couple of years ago I

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believe that now the the the

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surveillance tape was supposed to have

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gone over to whatever legal team and I

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don't know which one but it never did

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and now the file is closed permanently